No precept is more sacred to marathon swimmers than the forbidding of a deliberate touch between swimmer and anything else; boats, people or equipment other than feed supplies. That is the way we disqualify ourselves or how we signify that a swim is over. Until you have been there, until it has been you or until you have seen a swimmer agonise for long minutes in the water, knowing there is no hope of continuing, but knowing they or you have to reach out and touch the boat, you can’t understand this.
It’s a really, really, really big deal for us.
Everything about swimming reduces to those moments. It’s difficult to explain how it feels to try to push a swimmer beyond any possibility of continuing a swim, beyond what you want to push them, so they will know afterwards they did everything. It’s different from pushing yourself. You almost hate yourself for pushing them. So the swimmer will have no doubts that when they reached out to touch the boat, it was the right and final act. When you dismiss or wilfully and repeatedly ignore these essential facts, disregard this moment of truth and subsequently lie about it, you guarantee the animosity of the marathon swimming community.
Let me be repeat what I said earlier in the series:
I do not really care what the general public thinks about Diana Nyad. The world is full of crooks, cheats and charlatans who had public support, from Lance Armstrong to Silvio Berlusconi. There is nothing new in this. Diana Nyad needs public worship and adulation. I’m happy with just having friends.
Maybe Diana Nyad will somehow square this circle and be proven to be a paragon of virtue, despite all the items of concern outlined below. Though I do not think this will happen, nor do I believe it’s even possible. But if it does happen, it will be great for swimming and we will have served the purpose of keeping marathon swimming honest.
No-one should forget that without the forum and the questions of a few, the public would have fawned all over Diana Nyad with blind adulation, everything would have been accepted. Because Diana Nyad is not truthful and all her claims to be so are empty.
If you hate me because I don’t share your hero-worship of Diana Nyad, I don’t care. If you have bought into the hype, (possibly literally), I don’t care. If you hate me because you think I am a “hater“, I don’t care (and you need to understand what irony means. Hint: listening to Alanis Morrisette won’t tell you).
I care about Rob Bohane stepping into the English Channel for a third time, knowing what he had gone through twice already, no fanfare, no merchandise, no bullshit. Just courage and what Channel Swimmer Sarah Thomas so memorably called on the forum, integrity. I care about all the others, stepping off a shore in the unknown, sharing common values in how they swim. In their heads only fear and excitement, a goal, a dream. To swim across. Not a movie, not adulation, not chat shows. Not deception.
Courage and integrity. Both required. A fitting epithet for marathon swimmers.
Sylvain Estadieu publicly seeking prior discussed rules for his English Channel butterfly crossing. Lisa Cummins making sure no-one could touch her when she stood up on a dark empty beach before wading back in to swim back to England. Trent Grimsey picking up litter on Dover beach. Wendy Trehiou. Jackie Cobell. Paraic Casey. Susan Taylor. Kevin Murphy. Alison Streeter. Steve Redmond. More. So many more. A roll call of courage and integrity.
It’s not that I am bothered about Diana Nyad’s media presence. It should be great for our sport. I certainly loved the coverage of Jackie Cobell, Sylvain Estadieu, Lisa, Cummins, Stephen Redmond. But I do care when the media coverage is so overwhelmingly based on what I believe to be Diana Nyad’s misrepresentation. I believe that coverage should be accurate and represent our shared values and portray the reality of our swimming world. When Diana Nyad’s actions sully past, present and future swims and swimmers, she essentially attacks friends and people I respect. So it becomes personal.
I care about my sport. My friends. My interpretation of right. My sense of trying to live up to the people I respect. I need to be able to look my friends in the eye knowing I have been true both to them and to myself, (even if they are not making the same judgement). Nothing anyone can say can take away what is for me a fundamental precept, that I require of myself. Therefore Diana Nyad has tested me, had forced me to this series and maybe that’s why this was such emotive stream-of-consciousness writing for me. The Diana Nyad controversy has sullied things I care about and I intend to reclaim those values for myself and my friends.
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During the height of the controversy and discussion on the marathonswimmers.org forum, the forum went offline a couple of times over the weekend of the seventh and eight of September. Until now we have said publicly that was due to traffic. In fact it was due to repeated Denial of Service (“cyber”) attacks. We do not know the origin.
When they are trying to shut you up, you know you are surely doing something right.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win“. – Gandhi
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What it all boils down to
The items below are based not just on the panel, but include previous events and events which have since come to light. The list below is why the onus is on Diana Nyad to prove that despite her protestations of being “ethical” that she is trustworthy and that the swim has any credibility. In this case the swim and the swimmer cannot be separated.
Despite her protestations of honesty, the case against Diana Nyad’s integrity is very strong and includes the following very extensive list. References for almost everything in this list can be found on the marathonswimmers.org discussion thread. Her comment on Facebook alone contains multiple problems.
Rules & Observation
- Despite repeated calls from marathon swimmers (including myself), Diana Nyad never published any rules before any Cuba to Florida swim.
- Her methods during her 2011 and 2012 Cuba to Florida swims include getting onto the support boats. What would she have claimed had she been successful, given her assertions that she’s never been assisted?
- Her claim that she couldn’t remember touching the boat in 2012.
- Conflicted reports by team members of what touches were carried out. (There are actual photos exist of her being held).
- Her conflicting claims that she never touched anything in the recent 2013 swim, yet later admitting she had been touched.
- Her repeated continuing claims in the press of some undefined world record.
- Her claims of not knowing about Observing requirements (to me).
- Her previous use of conflicted Observers who were simultaneously promoters, journalists and a sponsor.
- He claim that her Observer’s belong to a non-existent organisation (Open Water Swimming Association).
- Her use of unknown Observers with no experience and no recognised training, reputation or affiliation. Her own team members ironically say a qualified team is essential.
- No publication of any standards or rules according to which any Observer would be judging.
- The casual retrospective dismissal of the well-documented by her own team, 7 1/2 hours without feeds, as a misquote. (“That was a mistake”), not corrected or ever mentioned by the team until raised by the forum.
- Her post-panel deliberate TV statement that the team had provided all the requested documentation, (they still haven’t). She said this was because she doesn’t know how to upload documents.
- Diana Nyad team member’s posts on the forum are contradictory in establishing what rules they might have been following. Much of their talk of rules seems to have been derived from the actual post-swim forum discussion and to be conflated with a non-swimmer’s understanding of English Channel rules and other rules and how, where and why these are used.
- Use of an iPhone as a stopwatch. (That says a lot about the standard of rules and Observation. Strictly forbidden in almost any sport).
- During the storm, both Observers were away from the swim and swimmer on a different boat. (This account was published two weeks after the panel).
Integrity and Probity
- The events surrounding Walter Poenishes first assisted Cuba to Florida swim
- , before and after, contain multiple problems for her claimed integrity, including actually libellous personal attacks, subversion of sponsors and media for her own ends and ultimately the ruining of a man’s life. Mr Poenisch had to take legal action before Diana Nyad withdrew her attacks but he was never able to repair the damage she had already done.
- Her dismissal of Suzie Maroney’s Cuba to Florida swim also as assisted (which it was) but never acknowledging that she herself was assisted.
- Any assertions that the community now accepts that she swam the distance. I myself don’t say this. Without reputable experienced Observers (more than two are required for 48+ hours) and original Observer Logs that can be proven to be created on the relevant dates. There is no way to know. In fact I don’t seen now how this can ever be proven. The requirement for stringency has been caused by Diana Nyad having heard all questions in public after the swim was over before she ever set out to clarify.
- Her repeated calling on some unknown higher authority called “the sport of open water swimming” or “the auspices of the sport” for the media. (Please refer to the vote above).
- Her claim of no contact to her from the marathon community.
- Her ignoring an offer to help set up an Observing Organisation specifically for her and the Florida Strait.
- Her implicit denial that such an offer was made to made.
- The apparent denial of what her own jellyfish advisor Dr. Yanigahara says was essential safety treatment, to Chloe MacCardel for her Cuba to Florida attempt.
- Her 36 years of false claims about her Around Manhattan swim.
- Her untrue assertion that “my own peer group, instead of coming to me and asking me questions went to the media“. (In fact the media contacted us, Diana Nyad is the one who courts the media. I answered one media request early on and ignored the few subsequent requests).
- The lack of real explanation about the apparent contradiction in her own video evidence of the navigator versus the public claims.
- Her disrespect for other swimmers.
- Her hypocritical treatment of Penny Palfrey and Chloe McCardel, with public claims of well-wishing, contradicted by post-swim statements hoping they would fail.
- A Team Nyad source told of her later instruction to her team “do not the feed the trolls” specifically about the forum, whom she also called peers when it suited. somewhat at odds with this statement: “They want to know how the facts came down so they can understand it. They have every right to ask all these questions, and we have every intention to honor the accurate information.“
- Confusion over apparent discrepancy between publicly available Florida current satellite data and Diana Nyad’s post-swim Florida Current data, for the same days.
- Her appeal to the Court of Public Approval, (in science, one of the most conclusive demonstrations of fraud).
- Her utter public disrespect for volunteers, calling them “traitors”.
Occam’s Razor
- Diana Nyad, with a lifelong history of braggadocio and deceit about swims, including exiting the water, and with a tenuous relationship to the concept of rules, with no Independent Observers, claims to have done an unassisted swim , which includes a previously uncharted current that allowed her more than double her swim speed in open water after 30 hours.
- Diana Nyad followed a lifelong pattern of deceit about swimming for self-aggrandisement and ego.
Ceteribus paribus. All things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the best.
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When you are sitting in the changing room of your pool or at the beach or somewhere and someone says to you “did you hear about that woman who swam from Cuba to Florida …”. Take a breath. Don’t shrug it off. Don’t worry about seeming like a crank. Instead say “well, actually, let me explain about that to you…”
I struggled with how I could wrap this up. What could I say that could make any difference?
Then again, I realised I didn’t have to make a difference. I only had to do what I have done. Write and let sunlight disinfect Diana Nyad. But something else happened as I wrote, as I got further into this series. I started this series with a sense of grim resignation, frustration and ennui. But as I wrote, I felt better. I felt better and I felt more able to be completely honest about what I think of this debacle. As I wrote, we all took back our sport.
Further, I realised I could make a personal decision, a decision just for myself.
I am a channel swimmer. The title is one of my proudest possessions. I can use it because of the trust and integrity of the worldwide marathon swimming community (any Channel applies), and I choose to use it because of the respect I have for friends and swimmers far greater than I who hold that title.
You know that one decision I can make about Diana Nyad? You’ll laugh. It’s not all this writing. It’s not the forum, the panel, the conversations, emails, messages or even this series.
The strongest personal statement that I can make, here and now, is that I would not let Diana Nyad sign my marathon swimmers autograph book. I do not believe Diana Nyad swam from Cuba to Florida.
Diana Nyad does not appear to have the probity or integrity that I require of her.
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Thanks for sticking with this and thanks for all the supportive messages.
For whatever it’s worth, I feel cleaner now. See you on the Copper Coast, in Sandycove or in Dover.
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{While I have you, I’d like to point out something else that I wrote, that I think is just as important, in which I also address something which directly addresses swimmers, but the ending of which was overwhelmed by the Diana Nyad fiasco, and that’s the omni-shambles of 2013’s MIMS and the implication for future MIMS applicants}.
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Related articles
- Nyad Agonistes, Anatomy of a Social Media Campaign, Evan Morrison’s definitive timeline of events leading up the review panel.
- The marathonswimmers.org forum thread.
After learning that I was doing long open water swims, a friend recently asked me about Nyad. I had been a pool (competitive swimmer), but new to marathon swimming, so I did not know about Nyad. Now I know: great PR, fraud in the water. Thanks for the very comprehensive documentation.
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Very,, very interesting!
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getting really tired of all the write ups about this. Can’t we move on.
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Unlike many of the other articles you must have read to be so tired of it, I was actually part of this story. You of course don’t have to read my blog, but if you do, that’s entirely your choice. While I never wanted to be part of it, I also think it is critical for the our sport that we are honest about it, and I feel no embarrassment for covering it in detail. If you want media articles that don’t understand or explore the complexity, then loneswimmer.com is exactly the wrong place to come.
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Loneswimmer Chief of The Copper Coast,
Great writing and even greater for speaking the truth! Eventually managed a swim through the Metalman cave at low tide with my Hungarian friend Peter. There aren’t words :-). Anyway I have moved West to Galway and the bay feels tame by comparison to the Guillamene. Still it’s a great swimming location and so many people swimming! Thanks again for these informative posts.
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Well done Donal. Many thanks to you, Evan, and the entire OW community who have asked the unpopular questions and sufered the backlash…. fot the love of OW swimming.
I’m proud to be a member of MSF!
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Cheers Dave!
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Thank you Donal for this passionate, informative and as always well written series.
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Thanks Paul!
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Donal – The one thing I have learned about you is that you f…ing love swimming. To be honest I think this piece was incredible well written. It showed heart and patience. It was compelling on so many levels. I found myself able to piece everything together. Thank you for this series of posts.
Cheers to you for being a very brave voice. Jamie
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Thanks Jamie, let’s not overdo it though! Also I guess it’s the people that I love just as much as the swimming, and that’s my main motivation. I appreciate the comment though!
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Thanks for your insight…I also think the Nyad did not do the complete swim and probably got on the boat during the storm (just a gut feeling)…I is interesting the the so called official observers were on Dreams Come True which was not in close proximity to Diana…in the storm situation where the kayakers & probably the divers were pulled to other boats and the boats separated for safety…and only the Voyager crew (her close friends and confidants)…. who was observing and caring for her safety…only a handful may have know what really happened!!!
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Thanks Skarko. You’ve hit on the one of the key things. DN has repeatedly made the assertion that a conspiracy of 44 people can’t hold together. Like everything this is done to the, who nod their heads and agree because it’s a reasonable assertion. But it masks the deeper truth that not all 44 were always aware of the situation, nor could see, nor that they even knew what they should have been looking for.
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Thank you for taking the time to write this. You are spot on.
Best,
Anne Cleveland
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Anne I was so overwhelmened at the time with the writing, the forum and travelling over & back to Dover at the time, that I never got to respond to you. My apologies and a comment from a swimmer of your calibre and achievements means a lot. Thanks for your support.
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It brought a big smile to my face! Thank you.
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Donal –
Truly excellent writing. In my book you deserve another “Best Sports Blog” award for this series and if there is any justice in the world, you will get it.
My late mother once told me that the worst thing that could be said about you was NOT that you were hated for who/what you were, but rather, that you were pitied for who/what you were. I have no hate for Diana Nyad, but I do pity her.
-LBJ
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Thanks Leonard, I didn’t make the short list this year. Possibly because I made fun of the china vase I won!
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Thanks for a summary of many swimmers’ perspectives. There’s been a lot of bullying by people who aren’t involved in our sport, and they’ll go back to ignoring us shortly, but I hope that in the meantime we have preserved our sport and our standards.
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Thanks David. I’ve been finding that when I respond to the assertions of “hater”, to the people making such, that they mysteriously disappear or can’t back up their position in any meaningful way.
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I’d like to add a comment my wife made. While she has never been a swimmer she did play squash at a fairly high standard and has a very clear sports ethic. I mentioned some of your articles as well as the MSF and said ‘It looks like DN might’ve cheated a little bit’. Her return comment pretty much sums it up for me. She said ‘There is no such thing as a little cheat. If you cheat, you cheat!’
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Donal thanks for wording my and other thoughts.
Now back to real swimming, photos and descriptions of your swimming adventures.
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Great series. I wish it would continue…NOT!
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Thank you. As a veteran of Double Windermere this year and Loch Lomond last year, I really appreciate you adding your careful consideration and narrative to a very difficult subject. I was asked by ITV to go on a programme at short notice to comment. Trouble is that I am on the committee of the BLDSA so whatever I could have said might have been linked to an organisation that I represent. I salute you for taking this on (and much of the associated flak that goes with it).
M
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Thanks Mark.
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Well written Donal. I will say this, and it’s probably the only positive that comes out of this Nyad debacle. Anyone contemplating a similar swim, or any swim for that matter, can never claim to be unaware of the need to be open about what the goals or criteria of your swim will be. And that’s before your toes get wet. Now let’s get back to proper swimming and leave Diana Nyad where she belongs… with Lance Armstrong & Hansie Cronje & Donald Crowhurst
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Thanks David. I completely agree with you.
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good for you. I too will try to educate the public when they ask about this. im so glad you did this.
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Thanks Linda.
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